Louisiana is boned

Mætlöaff · Post by **Mætlöaff** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:33 am

Well ****, sorry to anyone who lives there

. Massive hurricanes suck.

Kaboodles · Post by **Kaboodles** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:51 pm

I heard about that.

I understand this storm has the capability to turn New Orleans into the world's largest toxic waste dump?

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:28 pm

Did actually.

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:02 am

I've been readinf some strange stuff in the news. Is it true that:

1) Louisiana is almost in a state of anarchy?
2) There is looting, rape and murder going on in the streets?
3) The military has been called in on a Shoot-to-kill basis for looters?
4) There is major violence/unrest in that state?

This is all very disturbing, so I was hoping someone could verify it...

iron_maiden · Post by **iron_maiden** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:03 pm

lord_kungai wrote:I've been readinf some strange stuff in the news. Is it true that:

1) Louisiana is almost in a state of anarchy?
2) There is looting, rape and murder going on in the streets?
3) The military has been called in on a Shoot-to-kill basis for looters?
4) There is major violence/unrest in that state?

This is all very disturbing, so I was hoping someone could verify it...

1) true
2) looting is true but the rape is just a rumor
3) only for looters taking tvs ect food is ok
4) hell yea

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:53 pm

iron_maiden wrote:
lord_kungai wrote:I've been readinf some strange stuff in the news. Is it true that:

1) Louisiana is almost in a state of anarchy?
2) There is looting, rape and murder going on in the streets?
3) The military has been called in on a Shoot-to-kill basis for looters?
4) There is major violence/unrest in that state?

This is all very disturbing, so I was hoping someone could verify it...
1) true
2) looting is true but the rape is just a rumor
3) only for looters taking tvs ect food is ok
4) hell yea

*Cringe*

The hurricane must have been bad enough... A few weeks ago in Mumbai we had rainfall like the gods were pissing after many centries... But luckily we didn't have any unrest (Ok, we did have one stampede thanks to some moronic rumors about Tsunamis, which scared everyone cause of the rains and the previous tsunami in South India) but military being called in? Ouch... I feel sorry for whoever lives there...

jb · Post by jb » Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:47 pm

The sad thing it that its no real sprise. There was a special on Discover channel a few years ago that talked about if a major hurricane hit New Orlenes it would be over for that city. They live below sea level, surrounded by dams, leveeis and pumps that keep the city dry. In fact the red cross does not operate any shettlers in the city do to the danager and that was before the hurricane hit

Mætlöaff · Post by **Mætlöaff** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:42 pm

****'s really hit the fan now because it's about to turn into a flaming toxic soup bowl. Gas lines are leaking and flames are sprouting up through the water, and I wouldn't be surprised if all of the gasoline that's been mixed in with the water and corpses all catches aflame.

It's wierd, there was a webserver building that was still running well into the storm. They hosted Somethingawful.com 'til about 1 or 2 days ago. That's gotta take some balls.

As Twain said, you don't try to block the Mississippi.

EDIT: BTW Kungai, totally off topic, but where in India is Mumbai?

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:00 am

Mætlöaff wrote:EDIT: BTW Kungai, totally off topic, but where in India is Mumbai?

Look above arrow

Post by **R.Flagg** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:51 pm

Perhaps a bit late on some of this..., but anyway

lord_kungai wrote:I've been readinf some strange stuff in the news. Is it true that:

1) Louisiana is almost in a state of anarchy?
2) There is looting, rape and murder going on in the streets?
3) The military has been called in on a Shoot-to-kill basis for looters?
4) There is major violence/unrest in that state?

This is all very disturbing, so I was hoping someone could verify it...

1) No, not the entire state, just the city of New Orleans. Which is still pretty bad, but there's a big difference.

2) Looting got way out of hand, yes. But murder and rape continue to happen in every American city, hurricane or not.

3) No. Not true. Although the governor certainly wanted the looters to think that apparantly. Fact is they have converted various buildings into makeshift jails, and are making arrests.

4) Again, not the entire state, just the city. But yes, it got pretty damn bad. What happened there is a disgrace, and 'blame' rests at every level. From the folks stupid enough to stay after all the warnings, to the city and state governments for allowing it, and likewise for the feds.

As has been pointed out, the place is surrouned by the largest river in North America, a big assed lake, and the Gulf of Mexico. And it sits BELOW all of them. To live there and then bitch and whine after it floods is to be pretty stupid. Here's a tip - Move!

(Yes, it is also true that many folks in the city were elderly, ill, or disabled, and could not get out on their own.... in those cases where there is a familly member taking care of them, they are to blame. They should have gotten their elderly/disabled/ill relative out of the flood areas long ago. For those that are on their own and/or destitute, then it's the local, state, and federal governments unavoidable responsibility to provide the basic needs for them, which in this case would be to have moved them long ago.)

Having said that, our local, state, and federal governments have a tradition and a duty of helping even stupid people in cases of natural disaster. It is common practice for brave folks to risk their lives in an effort to save others who didn't listen when they were warned, and proceeded to do something stupid. Happens all the time. And in that respect, when it comes to 1st response at least, government at every level broke down in this case, and hopefully lessons will be learned.

One of the main lessons to be learned however, authorities are already promising to ignore. We already have calls to rebuild the city - right where it stood (most still stands actually, just in ruins). We have learned nothing.

There are case after case of Americans choosing to live in areas that are prone to flooding. And case after case of other American taxpayers being forced to bail them out and pay them for their stubborness/stupidity/whatever. Some of that has been slowed down with legislation over recent years, but not nearly enough.

Folks have been fighting the Mississippi river in that spot for approx. 300 years now. And yet floods have taken lives in this area again and again. Nobody should be surprised. And nobody should be allowed to rebuild in that location on taxpayer dollars.

Now - are those statements about money? Only if you can't see past the surface of a sentence. It's actually about saving lives and preventing catastrophe by not enabling stupidity with federal funding. If folks wanna go off and live in a flood plain, and then even stay there when repeatedly warned about Massive Hurricane headed your way...., the least we can do is stop paying them to do so.

Wake up America.

jb · Post by jb » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:53 pm

100% agreed with flagg's comments!

Mick · Post by **Mick** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:51 pm

I'm just glad I picked central florida to go on holidays too and not in the path of katrina.
I completely agree with Rflagg aswell, building a city 10ft below sea level is just plain dumb.

Yahooadam · Post by **Yahooadam** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:10 pm

Mick wrote:I'm just glad I picked central florida to go on holidays too and not in the path of katrina.
I completely agree with Rflagg aswell, building a city 10ft below sea level is just plain dumb.

what about london

Thats atleast a little below sea level, and the same problem there as there is (well was now) at new orleans

And apparently they have finally done somthing about it after 5 days, somthing about 10,000 troops, dunno, i dont really watch the news, found out about this on like day 3

Mætlöaff · Post by **Mætlöaff** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:38 am

lord_kungai wrote:
Mætlöaff wrote:EDIT: BTW Kungai, totally off topic, but where in India is Mumbai?

Look above arrow

Huh, never knew Bombay had 2 names.

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:48 am

What R.Flagg says sounds very logical, but I realy don't know about America; Whole bunch of people cribbed about Government in India and said that the weren't doing anything when the Government wasn't even prepared for something like this. They cribbed about how the Government, instead of reacting to the problem, had created a Board for handling this problem. lolz. Turns out that the government actualy saved thousands of lives with their speedy handling of things, even though it just seemed slow.

After the floods, old British-built buildings started collapsing. This time Maharashtra's Communist Party kicked the tenants of those buildings way out. Problem solved under 48 hours...