UT2004

Post by **R.Flagg** » Wed May 14, 2003 2:46 pm

Well, I've run the gamut on this already. What are your thoughts?

On one hand, I am excited, because much of the stuff I've read about for this game sounds awesome.

And on the other hand, compatible with UT2003 or not, I'm upset that I shelled out the money for UT2003, only to have it kicked aside so shortly afterwards.

And, even if most of the years worth of work the mod teams have done can be easily ported, this doesn't 'make it all better'. There will still be two games out there, and that screws things all up.

We make a mod for UT2003, and then most players will bail, and go to UT2004. Hardly anybody is going to be playing UT2003.

So, we'll get BETA 1 out, maybe squeeze out a BETA 2, and then the game is old news, collecting dust on a shelf.

Seems we'll have to go right away to UT2004, or be left behind?

There goes another 50 bucks I guess.

What am I supposed to think about this? I really dont know. Did we spend approx. $50 bucks for a beta game? Was that what happened here? And now they have 'finished' the game, and we have to buy it again?

I don't know what I think yet. I want the game, but I'm not happy about how it's going down. Good game coming or not, something about this is wrong.

FurrySound · Post by **FurrySound** » Wed May 14, 2003 2:48 pm

From what Epic has said to the server admin list, our mod will work as is under UT2004. UT2004 players will be able to connect to UT2003 servers.

FurrySound{Moo}

Post by **R.Flagg** » Wed May 14, 2003 2:54 pm

From what Epic has said to the server admin list, our mod will work as is under UT2004.

Yah, I heard that too. And it sounds good on paper. I have a feeling it won't be so clean and simple though.

Like, are people going to say, why d/l a UT2003 mod for my new UT2004, just because it 'works'? I'm asking here, I really don't know.

But somebody told me that the UT version of say...SLV2 works on UT2, that would not get me all excited. I would want a spiffy new version for the spiffy new game.

Dunno man. They will probably get my money, as always, but this (so far anyway) is leaving very bad taste with me, and apparantly many others as well.

And kinda funny side-note: the ad says-

"Assault Mode: The much heralded single-player oriented gametype"

Haha. Who are they tying to kid? Where was assault 'much heralded' ?

Oh well, I guess if it's your job to sell the thing, you gotta write something. It's just funny is all. Assault servers were basically empty or gone within a month or two.

Post by **R.Flagg** » Wed May 14, 2003 2:57 pm

And if all the maps and mods and techy stuff is all interchangable, if it's all the same in that area...

Then isn't this something more along the lines of an expansion pack? (ie; less money than a full game)

I mean, if it's just new weapons and maps and game types.....

FurrySound · Post by **FurrySound** » Wed May 14, 2003 3:00 pm

Well, I look at it this way... if Chaos for UT worked with UT2, that's what I'd be playing until such a time as a newer Chaos came out/got updated.
I hear what you are saying about 'isn't it just an upgrade and not a full game'... I have no idea what their plans are...

FurrySound{Moo}

Post by **R.Flagg** » Wed May 14, 2003 3:07 pm

Well, like I said, I'm undecided. I do love the Unreal series in general, but I'm not automaticaly 'sold' on anything they decide to do.

Regardless of what they tell us in some mailing list or whatever, I'm getting a whiff of pre-planned money making scheme on this. Not that making money is a crime, but still...,

I want to see half price for those who already bought what could be argued as the BETA version. That would shut me up quick.

If it's another full priced game, then the debate shall rage on, and possibly fracture the community even further.

This pic somebody posted at the Atari forums is kinda funny;

Hehe. Yeah, I am a fan of Epic/DE, but I can still wonder what they are up to.

FurrySound · Post by **FurrySound** » Wed May 14, 2003 3:11 pm

Yeah, I wonder also. I think they know they will have to offer something to current owners of ut2003. A special CD-key activated download of the ut2004 files.. but from what they are saying, its gonna be BIG. Don't worry, I'd download a set and send it to you on CD if that's the case

FurrySound{Moo}

Evolution{FU} · Post by **Evolution{FU}** » Wed May 14, 2003 9:24 pm

Well basically I am feeling ripped off, as now it seems that atari will produce a new UT game very year

And regarding the incentive for ut2k3 players, I really doubt that it will happen since if it were, then anyone who is interested in getting ut2k4 would simply buy ut2k3 and get download the incentive package for a lower price than ut2k4 would cost.

jeditobe1 · Post by **jeditobe1** » Wed May 14, 2003 10:00 pm

Im still wondering if it will be similar to the UT GOTYE release. I mean, its got some new stuff to sell it, but a lot of that new stuff seems to already have been made. Similar to how GOTYE had ChaosUT and a few other already made mods in it.

The real reason im thinking this is because a good port of assault has already been made for UT2003, and it was released only a short while ago. Maybe it will be packaged in as the assault gametype?

Sir Tahngarth · Post by **Sir Tahngarth** » Thu May 15, 2003 1:33 am

from what I can tell any mod that works with ut2003 will work with ut2004. its not like theyre changing the class structure or anything. it appears to be major content additions and fixes and stuuff like that, nothing more. UT2004 is basically GOTY edition of UT2003, except I dont think UT2003 got an overall game of the year award from anyone, so they cant call it that.
I think its being released in this standalone product form to try to win back all the hardcore UT'ers still playing UT after they first tried 2k3 when it came out and didnt like it.

Evolution{FU} · Post by **Evolution{FU}** » Thu May 15, 2003 1:50 am

qazzTahngarth wrote:from what I can tell any mod that works with ut2003 will work with ut2004. its not like theyre changing the class structure or anything. it appears to be major content additions and fixes and stuuff like that, nothing more. UT2004 is basically GOTY edition of UT2003, except I dont think UT2003 got an overall game of the year award from anyone, so they cant call it that.
I think its being released in this standalone product form to try to win back all the hardcore UT'ers still playing UT after they first tried 2k3 when it came out and didnt like it.

hmm so will this mean that UT2k3 users can reap the benefits of UT2k4 eventually?

Post by **R.Flagg** » Fri May 16, 2003 6:37 am

Mark Rein wrote:I see many of you are discussing the topic of UT2004 pricing. Atari has not yet set the retail price of UT2004 however they have told us that all along they've been planning to have some sort of deal for existing UT2003 owners who buy UT2004.

http://www.ina-community.com/forums/sho ... did=294882

That's cool. I'll be getting the game whether they do this or not, but if they're going to offer a discount, sure, I'll take it.

Sir Tahngarth · Post by **Sir Tahngarth** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:09 pm

you guys wont need to do anything special for the mod to work with 2k4, since its compatible.