CAS12 ammo not appearing.

[cophan]

I was wondering if anyone has a fix for the following issue.
After installing the chaos v1 full file, I am unable to see the CAS12 ammo.
Instead all I see is the chaingun ammo. I also noticed that the crossbow only gets the exploding bolts, and not the poison bolts, that is they dont appear to cycle.

I do get other items such as the redeamer, vortex and turrets.

I have tried rebooting, ensuring that the replace vs cycle weapons is turned on, and tried it with the chaos UT mutator (auto installed)

I am running v 436 with the chaos overlay. I have a couple of other mods, but those are just the "relics" and the volitile ammo and volitile weapons mods.

I have added a few maps, but no other mods.

I had this working previously, but after the latest install this problem cropped up.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks

[R.Flagg]

Hi!

I am sorry to say, but it's the volatile ammo mut which is causing a conflict. It always has.

It's a shame I know, because it can be a fun mut for casual games, but it has always been a problem.

Not sure about the volatile weapon, as I never wished to play that one. But try removing the ammo one, and go from there.

Now, having said that, I have played successfully in the past with ChaosUT and volatile ammo. But, that was with the Chaos mutator, not gametype, and with the mutators selected in a certain order.

It's been awhile but I think I had to have the Chaos mut at top of list, and then the v.ammo one done at the bottom of the list. Then it worked. But I'm not 100% sure, it's been awhile, play around with that and maybe it will for you too.

However, even when it's 'working', Chaos ammo will not explode. And keep in mind, there are a few small Chaos features not available in Chaos mutator, only in Chaos gametypes.

I have a CUT FAQ on my website, maybe it would be good to have a list somewhere of 'Chaos works with', or 'Chaos does NOT work with'. Might be useful.

[cophan]

Thanks for the great info, Ill try some of your suggestions. It explains a lot.

[cophan]

Just tried loading the chaos ut mutator first, followed by the relecs, then the volitile weapon and then the volitale ammo. Everything seems to be working... except for the volitile ammo and volitile weapons that are exclusive to the chaos ut, and therefore dont explode, but the regular ammo explodes... so I guess its an acceptable compromise.

I havnt seen the redeamer around either with the above config, but no great loss there.

[R.Flagg]

Cool. Glad to hear it.

One of my favorite things was always when it was an outdoor area, and the rocket packs explode up and out. Like fireworks or something. Fun stuff.

[cophan]

Ok, I feel dumb... last year I posted the problem about not getting the CAS12 ammo, and then with your help was able to resolve the issue.
Now, here it is a year later (almost) and I am trying to re-install the game on a new machine and have a new problem.

I have the GOTY edition, and have upgraded to 436 and re-nstalled the chaos v1.1 files, but still no cas12 weapon or ammo.
I have items like the vortex, and the super sniper rifle, but no cas12.
I have turned off all mods, and even tried running wth the chaos 1.1 mod on and off, but still no dice...... can you point a poor soul in the right direction again?

Thanks

[R.Flagg]

Hi cophan!

last year I posted the problem ..... and then with your help was able to resolve the issue.

You're welcome.

and re-nstalled the chaos v1.1 files

Sweet! Thank you Sir.

But tell me.., did you attempt to use the 1.1 upgrade file, on your GOTYE? Because that won't get it. We intentionally broke compatibility with v1.0.

If that is the case, get the 1.0 full, and then use your 1.0 to 1.1 upgrade, or get the 1.1 full and be done with it in one file.

If that's not it, then....let me think.

[cophan]

Thanks for the quick response!
Well, Im kinda puzzled, I did the full install of the v1.1. I remember reading about needing 4.36 and opted for the 1.1 full just to be sure. Im a little wary of upgrades.
Ok, rebooted too, and this time, the cas12 came up in addition to the regular chaingun. (not at the same time, it just cycles through) odd... but hey, at least the cas12 is there, and the chaingun too, so.... Ill take it.... I dont ever recall them both being in the game at the same time, but its also been a while and several re-images since my last working copy.....

(its about time though as my neighbor keeps asking me if I have re-installed yet.... and my colleague @ work has been playing unreal gold, and has just found out about UT... newB=newtarget
Ok, Im there, I think its time for a lan party.

Who knows why it didnt work initially, but now its working. I know, I know its that damn PEBKAC issue again.

Thanks Ill not rack your brain any more this evening....

[R.Flagg]

the cas12 came up in addition to the regular chaingun. (not at the same time, it just cycles through) odd... but hey, at least the cas12 is there, and the chaingun too, so.... Ill take it.... I dont ever recall them both being in the game at the same time, but its also been a while and several re-images since my last working copy.....

Sounds like utter Chaos to me man!

This could be the 'Cycle' option of the Weapon Replacement Method, found the the Game Settings of your CUT configs.

Here's a bit about that from the manual;

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Weapon Replacement Method - This will allow you to modify the way CUT weapons will appear in the game.

You can choose the Cycle Method, where the Chaos Weapons will alternate with the normal weapons.

Or the Replace method, where some of the standard weapons are replaced with the Chaos weapons.
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Play with that setting, see what happens.