Chaotic Dreams

heh , i think its worth getting sued by the ASPCA as long as those ****, I mean darn kittens get what they deserve...

Pepito wrote:heh , i think its worth getting sued by the ASPCA as long as those ****, I mean darn kittens get what they deserve...

kittens > you

I hate it when ppl think animals are better then ppl. I feel like killing a kitten now just to prove my point.

yes you would prove that animals are better then humans because an animal won't kill another animal/ human just to prove a point, for no damn reason, for fun.... ect. An animal kills another animal or a human to ... protect itself from harm, to feed itself.

here kitty kitty

Actually, animals are more shallow than humans when it comes to killing. They kill without any real morality. Animals will fight and kill each other over territory or to win a mate, as well as to feed or in self defense. In fact, human territoriality is most likely a throwback to primal origins.

Humans are no worse than animals. Whether humans are better than animals shall be debated until humans no longer exist. Of course, only a sentient mind ponders these sorts of things, and sentience itself is the only reason humans and animals are different anyway.

Go figure.

Shadowstar wrote: Of course, only a sentient mind ponders these sorts of things, and sentience itself is the only reason humans and animals are different anyway.

No, we also have television. You dont need sentience to vege out on the couch and watch soaps, but you dont see animals doing it.

Humans are no worse than animals.

Oh, oh how I beg to differ.

We are the disease, we are the cancer on this rock. And animals are anything but 'shallow' when it comes to killing. It is their very existence that depends on it.

We kill, and we kill, and we kill. To prove we are men, for pleasure, makeup, and for brand new leopard-skin pillbox hats (Bobby Dylan anyone?). Among many other ignorant reasons.

I'm thinking some debate on this would do you well. Animals know nothing but the struggle for survival (ie: territory, mate). This fits nowhere in the definition of shallow.

If I could become as loyal and courageous as my last dog, I would be a better man. God I miss that dog.

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heh one of the pillows on the couch at my lake house reads: "My goal in life is to become the person my dog thinks I am"
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Both my dog and i had growths removed recently. The stitches itched, and i knew that scratching it would releive the itch but would aggrevate the cut or worse. So i went about not scratching it.

My dog's stitches itched, and licking them helped releive it. The dog doesnt know (never been to school and obviously couldnt speak with the vet) that licking the itch is bad, but does know that licking it helped soothe the pain. Her instincts tell her that releiving the itch is generally good, so she has gone about trying to scratch it at every oppurtunity.

We both reacted based on what we knew. Its just that we know different things.
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To try to relate this to the discussion/topic: humans "know" that killing animals get us things we desire, whether its fashion, food, medicine, pleasure, etc. Animals "know" that killing gets them what they want: a mate, food, mere survival. Again, its just a difference in what we know. In this case the end result was something dying both times, but above we knew different things and it came out differently. Its situation specific, but in both cases its a reaction based on knowledge.

Ok, i hope that made some sense and had some relevence.

jeditobe1 wrote:

Shadowstar wrote: Of course, only a sentient mind ponders these sorts of things, and sentience itself is the only reason humans and animals are different anyway.

No, we also have television. You dont need sentience to vege out on the couch and watch soaps, but you dont see animals doing it.

animals don't like reruns or tempon commercials lol

btw, good points jeditobe1 and shadow star ....

a great person once said ,

Silly Rabbit Trix Are For Kids

now if animals were all so equal/superior , then they'd be getting the trix....

ok on a more serious note , Humans, and all other animals are just behaving according to their logic the very thing that Drives all species , the difference between humans and animals Is communication , with complex communication Humans can improve the logic of their young. Logic is the Ability to minimize the losses in life . If minimizing those losses means killing other animals , even for mundane reasons , It is still the logical choice , a person will seek out the path that will minimize losses in life ,and even the most self righteous of people will behave this way and there is nothing wrong with it.

I am not accepting the evils of society , but those are still a part of mans nature... Man is not perfect. and Evil is an abstract term defined only by perspective...

PS. BURN THEM KITTIES!!!

one more last off topic post and thats it for me

a wise man once said "If evil turely exist in this world it exist in the hearts of mankind"

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MoO!

Fear the Herd - One day cows will rule the world.

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Fear the Herd - One day cows will rule the world.

"Then stunningly a single voice, quite clear.

'This bowl was brought to you by the Campaign to Save the Humans. We bid you farewell.'
And then the sound of long, heavy, perfectly grey bodies rolling away into an unknown fathomless deep, quietly giggling."