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Weapon idea...
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:34 am
by WiCK3D
I think a railgun (Q3 style)

would be an awsome addition to this mod

. With the UT2k3 engine you could really make it look P!mp. Picture a high velocity explosive slug that can pass thru players until it makes contact with a solid surface like wall, killing them or hurting them very badly. I think a instant 1 hit wonder weapon is always great, sure it might be slow to charge up again, but that only means ull have to hone that aim but ull be rewared much better for that 1 key shot. That spiral effect could look badass

in UT2k3, maybe it could also start to settle towards the ground and break apart into a fine mist...let me know what u guys think
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 12:48 pm
by LoQtUS
The gun that you are describing is in ChaosUT. Its called the CHaos Sniper Rifle. Just use the RPB ammo and watch the rocket propelled bullets fly! I do believe that there are plans to bring it back in some form for Chaos Evolution.
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:11 pm
by jb
WiCK3D,
believe it or not...we have almost compelted work on such a weapon....but we have slighly enhanced it from what you discribed

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:36 pm
by KodiakChaos
Do you know that in realality a "Rail Gun" is a weapon that uses rare earth magnets, and and electric coils (basically electirc magnets) to fire heated solid steel beams that would split on impact with a solid surface. But this weapon is only theroetical.
In Q3A, the Rail Gun fires Depleted Urainium shells, which are the same things that modern day tanks use today. Modern tanks use Depleted Urainium instead of lead for large tank rounds because Depleted Urainium is more dense than lead!
Just some fun facts for ya

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:48 pm
by WiCK3D
HAHAH..WEEEEEE, u guys r0ck sooo Fr34k!ng MuCh

, good damn job guys this mod is really going to p!mp all!!
Been there done that
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:16 pm
by Rimshot
Kodiak: I have actually seen one of those fired in real life.... It is called a SABO Round. It fires depleted uranium and actually doesn't blow up the tank, but instead it impacts and shoots a rod through the tank, then leaves a silver dollar size hole on the other side, the vacume it creates sucks everything out that little hole, to include wiring, seats, people, anything not bolted down.
Leaving the Tank Intact

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:31 pm
by KodiakChaos
Rim: I believe the name is SABOT not SABO, but I could be wrong.
Check
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/index.html it has a great archive of military technology.
Edit by Jb to fix a web link error.
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:02 pm
by WiCK3D
The rail gun that you guys have completed for chaos evo. will we be able to use it like we did in Q3 for close quarters action and anything else, Or will its primary role be a sniper rifle where it does decent dmg but u only get a instant kill if the person has low health or its a head shot ?

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:44 pm
by jb
WiCK3D wrote:The rail gun that you guys have completed for chaos evo. will we be able to use it like we did in Q3 for close quarters action and anything else, Or will its primary role be a sniper rifle where it does decent dmg but u only get a instant kill if the person has low health or its a head shot ?

The short answer is yes to both as it has sniper like properties

We have set the code and now wait till our beta testers give us feedback and then tweak it accordingly.
you are right...
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:32 pm
by Rimshot
It is Sabot not Sabo...
One of the things that Major was working on in the Quake 3 Mod I thought was pretty cool.
The alternate fire on the Railgun could shoot through walls. I know a lot of people wouldn't like it and consider it a cheat, but in the play
testing we did it was fun as hell to estimate where somebody was behind a wall and Rail them, also you could shoot through them
but not see through them so it was still a challenge.
The physics were set up so that the more walls it went through the more it lost power...
So it could go between 2-3 walls before diminishing.
Also we wanted to make it hard to get the alternate Railgun by either having a pick up Ruin to power it, or having to have so many slugs for it to work.
Then the mappers could make multiple layer hardened bunkers that could act as Safe Zones if they wanted, would have been a blast in CTF maps.
A lot of discussion went into this idea and would have made it into the Beta.
After play testing we found that it really, really discourages campers and speeds up the play.
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:49 am
by WiCK3D
jb wrote:WiCK3D wrote:The rail gun that you guys have completed for chaos evo. will we be able to use it like we did in Q3 for close quarters action and anything else, Or will its primary role be a sniper rifle where it does decent dmg but u only get a instant kill if the person has low health or its a head shot ?

The short answer is yes to both as it has sniper like properties

We have set the code and now wait till our beta testers give us feedback and then tweak it accordingly.
Okay good, cuz if it had to become a sniper rifle that would suck. Then it would just be like all other sniper rifles, and instant hit long distance weapon. see with the railgun i loved popping ppl as they came around a corner, that type of stuff just made it fun, gibbing someone in that split second as they come out a corridor is just plain fun and displays ur skill at being able to target and accurately hit an opponent from close or far distance.

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:35 pm
by jb
The physics were set up so that the more walls it went through the more it lost power...
The way the current rail bolt projectile is set up now maks this impossible to implement. It may be able to do but the UT/UT2k3 engine handles these types of phsics differently than Q3 engine did. Thus as it stand now, its full power. Note this is all subject to change based on feedback from play testing. I really do like what you guys did with the Q3 version.
WiCK3D,
with this version you wont have to wait for them to come around the corners

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:48 pm
by R.Flagg
Okay good, cuz if it had to become a sniper rifle that would suck. Then it would just be like all other sniper rifles, and instant hit long distance weapon.
Not all of us feel this way. Many of us enjoy the classic sniping. And so, after much discussion amongst the team, the decision was posted in the news a few weeks back;
And I am very happy to say that we will be bringing back the popular Chaos Sniper Rifle!
You see, this new weapon we're talking about will rotate with the LG
and the Chaos Sniper Rifle. Which means there will be 3 weapons to snipe with.
Pick your poison.
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:43 pm
by WiCK3D
Chaos railgun sounds like its gonna be sw33t! GJ guys.