Bots auto fill the server!?

[Rythmix]

What was this for? this makes 1 on 1 human games extremely annoying if the server is set for 4 man. Is there a work around for this "feature" to go back to normal? and please i hope there was a good reason for this, tho I think the problem that the fix was made for would be easier to live with.

[jb]

What was this for? this makes 1 on 1 human games extremely annoying if the server is set for 4 man. Is there a work around for this "feature" to go back to normal? and please i hope there was a good reason for this, tho I think the problem that the fix was made for would be easier to live with.

well, your playing 4 man right...so its only logical if you dont have 4 it will spawn them We can try to look into this...

[Mætlöaff]

It kinda sucks 'coz bots attack you if your talking.

[jb]

It kinda sucks 'coz bots attack you if your talking.

Talk? Pfft fight on soldier! Talkings for in between the rounds

(will see if we can look into it)

[Phantasma]

It kinda sucks 'coz bots attack you if your talking.

Talk? Pfft fight on soldier! Talkings for in between the rounds

(will see if we can look into it)

Amen, all hail JB. If only the idiots in the game were not lame enough to kick vote when you kill them for typing right in front of you. I could be fighting someone then they will suddenly stop right in front of me and expect me to let them type......right...heh Admins are even worst they think they have a force field that allows them to talk in mid match and no one will touch them.

[jeditobe1]

Phant, stop complaining here please about your getting kick voted. We have said and will continue to say that it is the admin's server, and that if you are aggravating people enough to warrant a successful kickvote, then maybe YOU should think about changing.

[Mætlöaff]

It kinda sucks 'coz bots attack you if your talking.

Talk? Pfft fight on soldier! Talkings for in between the rounds

(will see if we can look into it)

Well, i didn't mean only talking, but anytime you're idle, like when the phone rings or you need to change settings or your mother dies. At least humans have the decency to stop when you say 'hold it' or 'brb, phone'.

[Phantasma]

I'm sorry you see it that way jeditobe1, but that people DO that and I was giving a example of what goes on. I was complaiming about it either if I was complaining about anything it would have to be the part about a player fighting you and suddenly type to say something.I don't recall asking anyone to do anything about it either. I figure by adding the little "heh" you'd have realized it was in the form of a joke and I thought it was funny. There was no mention of a successful kick vote or someone kick voting me as a matter of fact lets look at the post again

"Amen, all hail JB. If only the idiots in the game were not lame enough to kick vote when you kill them for typing right in front of you."

Key word there "YOU" as in YOU the PLAYER where did I ever say I was, please point it out I am blind.

"I could be fighting someone then they will suddenly stop right in front of me and expect me to let them type......right...heh Admins are even worst they think they have a force field that allows them to talk in mid match and no one will touch them."

This is a personally example of typing when your not supposed to "IN MID- MATCH", also going along with JB's post.

You owe me a apology jeditobe1.

[jeditobe1]

I'm sorry you see it that way jeditobe1, but that people DO that and I was giving a example of what goes on. I was complaiming about it either if I was complaining about anything it would have to be the part about a player fighting you and suddenly type to say something.I don't recall asking anyone to do anything about it either. I figure by adding the little "heh" you'd have realized it was in the form of a joke and I thought it was funny. There was no mention of a successful kick vote or someone kick voting me as a matter of fact lets look at the post again

"Amen, all hail JB. If only the idiots in the game were not lame enough to kick vote when you kill them for typing right in front of you."

Key word there "YOU" as in YOU the PLAYER where did I ever say I was, please point it out I am blind.

"I could be fighting someone then they will suddenly stop right in front of me and expect me to let them type......right...heh Admins are even worst they think they have a force field that allows them to talk in mid match and no one will touch them."

This is a personally example of typing when your not supposed to "IN MID- MATCH", also going along with JB's post.

You owe me a apology jeditobe1.

Firstly, I owe you nothing. Do NOT make demands of me.

Secondly, you have mentioned in our open session forum that you were kicked/banned from two servers. Whether this was by admin or by kickvoting, that is what i was referring to. Most admins on servers i have played on dont just kick people who win, or who win consistently. They kick "lamers," cheats, and those who dont follow server rules.

Thirdly, what i mean by "lamers" and cheats: A cheat is someone who exploits part of the game to his advantage, i will assume you are not doing that. A lamer is someone who constantly takes the cheap shot. If it is obvious someone is typing, going up to them and whacking them, consistantly, is usually considered "lame," especially on the more social servers. I dont mean someone who runs up to you then starts talking mid swing, i mean those who are a good distance from you who start saying something. Note i said mid-swing, not mid match. Theres quite a large difference. Are you really so crazy for wins that you have to run up and kill someone who is typing instead of letting them finish?

Fourthly, server rules: Some servers are more social in nature than others. In the cases where you have mentioned type-killing, the admins of those servers have said openly that people like to be social on their servers. It is also in the admin's right to dictate rules for the server they are running. If that means no type-killing, so be it. They also retain the right, as well as the players of the server when kickvote is enabled, to enforce these rules when necessary.

Finally, you saying that you said nothing of the sort. Your use of "you" clearly was referring to yourself in light of your previous posts, with the others players a collective addition based on english grammar. Of your twenty posts, roughly half of them that complain about type-killing or your being kicked/banned from a server. Two of your posts in the open session forum clearly show you were kicked/banned in some manner from both Flak's and FizzyB's servers. I dont care if its kickvoting or admin kick/banning, since they are one and the same to me, but if you expect to play on their server, you need to expect to play by THEIR rules.

Now, i will say that i have never personally fought against you, but i have played on Flak's server for one, and i know Flak is a very well respected admin with a very popular server. If she kicked you or if the players on her server kicked you, there was likely a valid reason behind it. I will also like to say this about your force field comment: not all the things an admin is doing is just chatting. Occasionally they are sending commands to the server, and it is nice to have the decency and respect not to shoot or cut their head off while they tell the server what map to run, how many bots to put in, etc.

This is the last i will say in this thread on this matter. This thread is about 4-man melee always being 4 man, and it auto adding bots if there is not enough players. Bots not regarding players who are typing was brought up in a bad manner, and here you are defending that action.

PS: you didnt quote your entire post, but the second part was relevant in the writing of my reply. Thank you, have a nice day.

[Phantasma]

(Edited by RFlagg, cause I wanted to.

We aren't required to listen to this kind of crap Phantasma. Last warning.)

[Rythmix]

ARGG HIJACK!

ok, but i have a question for the devs. Im not sure what you are "looking into". Its a feature in the change log that was added:

* Bots only leave an active Duel round if the server is full, otherwise they leave right before the next round starts

* Added in bot number checking for LMS duels to keep at least 2 people in the game if people quit

* Duel: Will create as many bots as needed to fill the game mode's numbers at the beginning of each round

This was your added bug, er feature. I just dont understand the reasoning. When a human joins, I'd like all bots to leave instantly, or at least have it user settable. Even when itry to set Min players in the webadmin to 2, at the end of the fight it will reset itself to 4 and add the bots back. If I kick them, 2 more spawn. I know its 4 man duel, but id rather fight 1 human than 1 human and 2 gimp AI. And the AI walk super slow, is this a bug?

[R.Flagg]

ok, but i have a question for the devs. Im not sure what you are "looking into". Its a feature in the change log that was added:

He knows darn well what was added. When he said he'd "look into" it, he meant he would consider your complaint.

This was your added bug, er feature.

You wanna use Duel as a chatroom, and so this feature bugs you. The Team felt that if you are playing 4 way Duel, it meant that you wanted to fight, so we gave you 4 players. Some of us aren't so worried about folks who wanna chat mid-game. Use IRC for that.

Having said that, I suppose we could look at the min players thing for 4 way, as Jb already told you, but to keep posting about it every day (like the other guy and his getting kick-voted) won't help your cause.

You could also simply run 1 on 1 Duel until you have enough players, then swtich it over to 4 way. It's not like it's such a big deal anyway. Or switch it to LMS, as I think we set the minplayer setting to work as you want it there.

Either way, it's low priority, as you can Duel 1on1 just fine as it is now.

And the AI walk super slow, is this a bug?

Try turning up the skill level.

[R.Flagg]

It kinda sucks 'coz bots attack you if your talking.

Yes well, that's what they're supposed to do.

BTW - Your ability to display avatars has been removed until you resize that thing down a tad. Just let one of us know when you've done that.

[jb]

Ok folks calm down a bit. No need to get all huffy here. But I can at least share some reasons for our calls:

* Bots only leave an active Duel round if the server is full, otherwise they leave right before the next round starts

This was done to prevent a free point from being award to the player that was dueling against a bot. In the old version the bot was kicked right away and the player got a "free" win because he/she was there first. NOw they have to fight for it.

* Added in bot number checking for LMS duels to keep at least 2 people in the game if people quit

The idea here is to allow the map to finnish. If not by humans by bots.

* Duel: Will create as many bots as needed to fill the game mode's numbers at the beginning of each round

We did the this to ensure that when the average joe user starts a game off-line they get the correct amount of bots. The old (PR3.0) system had some bugs with the way it added bots we got cases were it keep adding bots

And the AI walk super slow, is this a bug?

No the lower the AI setting the slower it moves, crank up the bots AI and they should move faster.

It kinda sucks 'coz bots attack you if your talking.

I agree but its not easy to teach bots to stop attacking if they see your "talking". Plus I can see it as an exploit where some one hit their t key, bots stop and then every one just sits there.


Phantasma,
I do think you have a valid points about the how the "dont kill me I am talking" thing gets over used. I too have been kicked for killing a talking player back in the Q3 days. I will try to be nice some times but dang it folks we are playing a face paced shooter. There is no time out, there is no pausing (unless by admin) there is only the action. However you also have to weigh in the servers "rules" about this as well. Some servers want you to respect the talking stuff and there is not much you can do in that case....

[Phantasma]

I did and some hippie thought it would be fun to edit the post out.

Also if I knew how to make demos I could prove all my points to you damn tech boys who think its a perfect world out there.