no real comment on the rest of your post
however , this part isnt quite right .. .
Shadowcat wrote:
. . . you are still a relatively new mod in the grande scheme of UT development. . .
Chaos has been around in Q2 , UT99 , UT2k3 , and UT2k4. it was included on the UT99 Goty Disc, and on the UT2kX side of things we were out Well before the other big mods out there such as Arkon Weapons , Alien Swarm , RO , FO , etc etc
My appoligies.. I did not have all the facts.. I do , in fact, love your mod as well as some of my server's following.. I will do some further research before I open my over sized ,libra driven mouth
I just tried to get on 3 different Chaos server without having the Mod installed. On the fastest one of them I checked the progress of the DL in my cache and it was 29 megs after and hour and 20 min. the connection I am on is a 2 meg DL.
I had time to make a sandwich, and other snacks sit down and eat them while watching an hour long TV show and I still wasn't in the game. People will not sit through that to play a game, and if they never heard of your mod all it does is frustrate them.
I looked on the net at the handful of Chaos servers and they all DL slow. I think this may be a big reason why people do not play your wonderful mod.
Some day, Chaos may be its own game, just like UT2k4 is now. Perhaps then, we will support the modding community and then people can create mods for Chaos. Then, you can mix and match all you want. And we'll be rolling in dough...
I understand your point Shadow, and in that you are correct.
However, just to make a clarification, if I may ..., we do in fact support the modding community, and always have. In many various ways, and that isn't always understood I guess, by some who we have disagreed with on one topic.
I realize you meant something else, but just to make clear for others who are reading this, and may not be familiar with the history of Chaos. No, we have not agreed with and granted every single request, but we most certainly have supported the "mod community", just as much of the mod community has supported us.
There is more to the picture than one thread, I guess is what folks should consider, if they want a better understanding of this topic.
Extracting from another persons mod and dabbling with it isn't a good thing, though you had the best of intentions and your download point is valid.
But imagine, the mona lisa, you pinch it and paint your girlfriends face on it instead and rename it to Denise or something, Leanardo isn't going to be best pleased.
I think near the begginning of this thread was a mention that chaos have "leant" some of the weapon models to other mods/mutators, but they skinned it specially for that purpose and layed down some rules, you knew enough about the code to edit their weapons, so maybe, you write your own mutator, then ask for the permission required, even if chaos ut is stamped all over the skin texture and readme's supplied with apropriate documentation. Could this not be a sensible way out? Or did i misread something previously?
There would be no problem downloading anything if the server was best quality or the player had the best connection they could afford.
But sense that isn't always the case people need to get off there rockers and download from a site before time. Its not that hard, you'd be amazed what you can fine on google.
cvroy wrote:Does that mean if the skin is re-vamped and stamped with the Choas UT logo by the Chaos mod team it would be ok to use them?
I could re-do the skins and send over for your approval and then you can stamp them just save you some work if that were the case.
That might be a possibility. We have already done this for another team and have the modify cutter skin ready right now. Let me talk to the rest of the team.
That would be great! What does the skin look like? Maybe you could also send me your logo or "the stamp" and I have a guy who rocks with photo shop, he could make a version or two and I'll sned it to you guys for approval:)
BTW after this I will not be releasing or emailing the weps like before... they will just be on the server.
I've not looked at the code, but Chaos Vortex has existed since Quake 2 days. Obviously the idea of a black hole/vortex has existed long before computer games were even made
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