Chaos Mini Muts

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:51 pm

The name sez it all...

Just something that happened to me:

Some days ago a friend of mine asked me if I knew a UT04 mod that would give him a flame thrower. I told him of the Chaos MUG and he was very impressed. However, on asking me how big the mod was, his eyes went as big as prox mines at the reply.

This just goes to say:

Chaos is too un-versatile for non-chaosfanatics

Not meant to be a critisism, but even I cant stand downloading the Chaos mod. Especially since I have a VSNL connection, which is 56kbps.

Suggestion:

Divide the Chaos package into a set of mini-mods that are all labeled with the Chaos stamp.

EG:

1)Chaos Weapons (gives the user a mutator like the "Onslaught weapons" mutator, except with the chaos weapons)

2)Chaos Map Pack (self explanatory)

3)Chaos game types (Enables the player to use the CCTF, DUEL, HH, etc.)

4)Chaos Vehicles (???)

5)Chaos features (Again a mut that allows the user to choose which features he/she wants. EG: GH, relics, CUT sounds)

The main package can have all these mini mods as well as the CUT screen and maybe even a Chaos version of the full tournament (From CCTF to DUEL to HH!!!)

WHAT SAY YOU, OH MINIONS OF CHAOS?

TKATK · Post by **TKATK** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:58 pm

i myself woulda liked if there was a Chaos only and Mappack onlu(all of the CUT maps except arena for Duel and pyramid for KOTH,so they stay visible)dl

as i really dont use most of the non duel maps in CUT

Zachariah · Post by **Zachariah** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:03 pm

lord_kungai wrote: WHAT SAY YOU, OH MINIONS OF CHAOS?

NAY SAY I, OH MORTAL OF THE FORUM!

its something that a Good number of the team has been against for a long time now. But what you must realize is that chaos is a Mod . not a mutator pack. You dont see people asking for a Red orchestra Weapon and vehicle pack. Or an Alien Swarm Invasion Monsters Pack. The way of chaos is the same. Just because our content hits closer to vanilla UT gameplay , doesnt mean that its not different from regular mutators.

Of course , this is just me talking , but im sure that there are at LEAST a few on the team who agree that Splitting up chaos like this would not be a Positive move.It would be a Convenient one, but that doesnt make it right.

Post by **R.Flagg** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:16 pm

I believe that since more and more folks are on high speed internet these days, the size of mods and maps and stuff is going to continue becoming less and less of an issue.

And just as a side note - something I've noticed is how some folks have so many smaller mutators and stuff running on their servers, that you end up downloading nearly as much, if not more, than if you had downloaded a mod like ours in the first place. So, if some of them are running a handful of mutators that have features similiar to ours... they could simply ditch those and run ours. Keep it simple with one big file that has just about all you need.

Anyway, I've never been against the idea of splitting the releases up into two files as Tkatk mentioned. We've done it that way in the past.

TKATK · Post by **TKATK** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:43 pm

and it worked very well(tho splitting weapons,features,vehicles up would be a PITA)

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:18 pm

Well...

I was thinking a mod that was comprised of many parts (not neccessarily a mutator) will be:

1) More convinient for the average UT04 player to download

2) Something that will spur the average UT04 player who downloads a mod segment and likes it to download more - in essence serve as a pseudo demo

3) Easier to reinstall/redownload/fix bugs/etc.

Am I right?

WHAT SAY YOU, OH MINIONS OF CHAOS? (whoever said I was the mortal one, Pepito?

)

TKATK · Post by **TKATK** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:42 pm

well...in general a minion is like a slave,so its inturn a player(Masters,creators,Lords may be considered devs)

Spitting it up would almost 100% make you have to
1.Install it in a specific order,or have to dl a seperate zip for every kind of CUT part you use it with...as the UPL,U and other system files wouldnt be compatible
2.Hope chaos would find someone to host the 30 versions and parts
3.have threads where peeps complain that the server pushes chaos to them(have a different part) or is incompatible if you dont have the same package(wont work)

Easier to install,reinstall,fix bugs?is it easier to dl 1(preferably 2 tho,CUT and Maps),or 8...i think 1-2

is it easier to downoad 8 packages for every thing fixed or just 1 bugfix...i think 1

so you are NOT right

LoQtUS · Post by **LoQtUS** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:56 pm

Consider me a slave

And for the record, Im against any splitting up of the mod.

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:31 pm

TKATK wrote:well...in general a minion is like a slave,so its inturn a player(Masters,creators,Lords may be considered devs)

Spitting it up would almost 100% make you have to
1.Install it in a specific order,or have to dl a seperate zip for every kind of CUT part you use it with...as the UPL,U and other system files wouldnt be compatible
2.Hope chaos would find someone to host the 30 versions and parts
3.have threads where peeps complain that the server pushes chaos to them(have a different part) or is incompatible if you dont have the same package(wont work)

Easier to install,reinstall,fix bugs?is it easier to dl 1(preferably 2 tho,CUT and Maps),or 8...i think 1-2

is it easier to downoad 8 packages for every thing fixed or just 1 bugfix...i think 1

so you are NOT right

hmmmmmm...
If the CUT mod segments are capable of running alone, just like standalone muts, why would this be a problem? any mut requires all the multiplayers to have it. Instad of them needing to download the entire mut, they can download only the feature which the server is running. IE: if the server is running a ICTF match with the chaos features (relics, GH), anyone who wanted to play need only download the Chaos Features mod segment. I'm not suggesting a fragmentation of the mod, just dividing it into its base features so that it becomes easier to manage. Of course, the whole mod can come as a seperate package, as I said before, consisting of all parts as well as some extra stuff such as the CUT screen and maybe even a chaos version of the single player tournament!

and the whole minion thingy is just a signoff

Zachariah · Post by **Zachariah** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:39 pm

Pepito wrote: Splitting up chaos like this would not be a Positive move.It would be a Convenient one, but that doesnt make it right.

Self Quote. ^

jb · Post by jb » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:57 pm

We had mini-muts in CUT for UT99 and that gave us some greif. Just in the supporting of them and how they worked. So with our UT2k3/4 we set out to not allow the mini-muts. Not because we wanted to cause greif with the comunity, just mainly for support issues. We tried to build into the mod most of that flexability. For example if you wanted to run with our features like the grapple but not use our weapons (something like the grapple mut of old would allow you to do) then that functionality is built into the chaosut mut.

The biggest problem is the popularity of our mut. Its such a part of our mod that it would be hard to seperate, but its no doubt the most popular part of it as well. So its hard to know what is the best thing to do with it. Sorry to say but I really doubt you will see any mini-muts from us.

chaoskirina · Post by **chaoskirina** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:40 am

I have a solution for the UMOD. Why don't you put in those options? you know, like after you say next after the intro part it gives you the options of what you want to do. put in what the first post was so that people can just have the whole mod yet have it divided. basically, like this:

*intro

*what do you want to do?

-Install Chaos Mut (_)

-Install ChaosUT2K4 maps (_)

-Install Chaos gametypes and maps(_)

-Install Chaos Extras (_)

*install

*installing

*finish

Simple. It will fix what people have been asking for. as for the solution for the ZIP installation, I am still working on that one.

LoQtUS · Post by **LoQtUS** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:00 am

What are are talking about would be akin to choping you up into peices.

Hmmm ill just take the arm and the legg. Is that the way you were intended to be?

Gamma · Post by **Gamma** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:54 am

My opinion:

No
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jb · Post by jb » Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:06 am

chaoskirina,

again thats still means we have to support the mini-muts which is something we dont want to do. Also it does not save users any bandwidth as they still have to download one big fill (as our file size is another common complaint..."Why do I have to download a zillion megs for a few weapons.." of course just using that as an example of the types of post). So as I said I really doubt that will happen...

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