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Post by R.Flagg »

genman1{HHR} wrote:Actually the direct link to the BU forums is this http://forums.beyondunreal.com/index.php

I believe this is what Jedi and jb were talking about, note the community section.
Yes, I am aware it is possible to link to the BU forums in that way. But there would be no need for us to use such a general link. As the JB example shows, you can in fact link to just your own section.
As for the (more player than forum posters) goes I'll debate you on that one, I'm on the Official Chaos Server every night and rarely do I see anyone join in. Now if you’re saying more peeps are playing the mod off line then you may be correct, I sure hope thats not the case.
There is no question on this matter. We have far more folks who play the mod offline than who play online. I wish that weren't the case, but that's just the way it is these days.

I'm not sure having forums on both places is the answer Romulus, but thanks for playing along. :wink:
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R.Flagg wrote:That is the type of link you would get on the Chaos web site, and the type of link you could put in your favorites/bookmarks. Pretty much the same as we have right now. Your link/bookmark would point you directly to the Chaos forums, and not to some huge list.
Your missing the point. Instead of having our own little place we would be grouped in with all the other mods. I know you can do links and what not..but we would no longer be "special".
As I mentioned, it's because more current software, with more bells and whistles, is and has been available for some time now. The same reason we all update our copy of UT2004, our browsers, our chat progams..., etc
Then lets just get the software here updated. That way no links have to change, no users have to re-register (which would be a VERY big deal), ect.
Well, as I like to remind us from time to time, those who post on these (or any mod/game) forums do not represent all of the fans. It is incorrect to assume that the opinions posted on forums are the only opinions out there.
Complely understand. But where else are we suppose to get feedback that we all can share? Until we come up with a standard way to capture the opinions of all the people we don't have much to go on...

I think a better way to analyze the point you wish to make, is to perhaps compare various game and mod sites, and see what types of forum software is the most popular. That would probably give a much more accurate picture than one thread here.

Again if we want to upgrade the forum then lets do that. But moving it when we can do the same or simular software is just not the right thing todo...
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jb wrote:Complely understand. But where else are we suppose to get feedback that we all can share? Until we come up with a standard way to capture the opinions of all the people we don't have much to go on...
Well, to answer that in a broader way... just for fun... my answer continues to be the same thing Warren Spector was advising when he was talking about game design. "Trust the creatives".

In other words, since we will never, ever, ever make a weapon or item or feature that "makes everyone happy", what do we do? Since we will never make a change or a tweak or a illegal left turn that pleases every fan, what do we do? His response, and mine (when speaking about the mod or game itself at least), is to do what we feel is best, and just hope many others dig what we do.

That is probably the best advice any game or mod maker/publisher/backer/whatever could ever get. Usually, there is a reason that "the creatives" (Mr. Spector's term, not mine) are in the position they are in, and usually they are going to be teh most qualified to make design decisions. If a publisher wants to have a hugely successful game, the best thing they can do for themselves is shut the hell up and get out of the way. :wink: And if a game development studio wants a hugely successful game, chances are they'll do better by designing it themselves, and not putting up a forum and taking polls about every little tweak. Yes, of course you pay attention to 'what the kids are saying', but you don't 'design by forum'.

Talk about one huge tangent. :P

Anyway, I realize also that this is not the actual mod itself. It's the medium that our regular forum posters use to talke to us and each other. And upon thinking about it further after making my last post.., sure, I was right, there are many many Chaos fans who don't come to the forums. However, since they don't come to the forums, their opininos about what forum software we use just doesn't matter as much as the folks who use it regularly.

And if I'm not mistaken, the type of forum software (and perhaps how it was to be used), was a very big part of BU being conceived and formed when the PU-GS giants made a change for whatever reason. So yeah, I think it's wise that we do in fact pay close attention to what our regular forum-posting friends think on this. Much more so than any tweak to the actual mod itself.

I would like more modern features available for the Chaos forums, and I don't care what the URL reads. If we can do that at this URL, than I have no more to say on the topic. But upgrading this software has been brought up many times, and while I forget teh details of each response, the bottom line is that it still hasn't happened.

Now I'm not sure where to go next with this post... did I make any sense here? If so, please remind me of my point.
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About forum software, the most popular one, and the one that BU uses, is Vbulletin.

It is extremely powerful, but unfortunately also expensive. 160 for owned license, 80 per year for leased. If you wish to install it here, you must either pay the full price or use a hacked version. And I know that a lot of you don't like illegal stuff.

This forum phpbb, is free, which is great. But I like the open sourced SMF also, simpleforumboards.org. It is my favorite at the moment. It is also powerful, but also versitile.

Also, if you wish to change forums, re-registering members would not be a problem as any direct copy of phpbb database can easily be ported over to SMF with no loss. Also, if the decision is to MOVE, then BU is not the only place to go, :P.
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Post by Mephisto »

By the way: We are more willing and happy to host your mod including webspace here :

http://www.ut2007world.com

Let me know

I am already filemirror for several big communities (for example complete mirror for BuF) so why not you too :)

Forum is based of vBulletin 3.5 and I can provide you public, password protected or even hidden forums with joinable user groups where you as mod can decide who has access to certain forums .. Even Jeff Morris thinks that this forum has a big potential ..
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Post by MassChAoS »

The latest version of phpBB is 2.0.17. All of the changes between our version and that one is bug fixes: http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents. ... gelog#2012

There haven't been any new features added. This doesn't have all the features, but at least its free.
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The other option is to add hacks and mods to phpbb. I guess that be kinda fun if you want to mess around Rflagg. You can boost this forum software up to similar kind of level that Vbulletin is on. :wink:
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Post by MassChAoS »

Its very complicated to add features to the forums... they're written for compatibility and unless you have several years of experience and know ALL the in's and out's of the phpBB code its just mind boggling.

I only say this cause I tried to track down and understand some code in the phpBB source before.
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Post by Tim »

Ever heard of e107? www.e107.org. I tihnk I saw a phpBB - e107 converter somwhere. I can browse it real quick if ya need one. But I haven't tried it yet. Only the creator tested it yet.
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Post by MassChAoS »

As it is, we are not looking to change the type of forums we run here. The topic was moving to BU forums or not, and thats pretty much what its limited to.
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Post by R.Flagg »

I agree with Matt on this one.

While it's very kind (and we mean that) for folks to offer other things, I think we really are only considering two or three options here.

1) We stay here, and make no changes.

2) We somehow someway update this forum.

3) We move to BUF.

Again, Thank You for offering alternate hosting and other suggestions. But I don't believe those are in consideration.
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