Where's all the chaos servers????

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General_Sun wrote:Definitly. A lot of us are moving away from the mod because we've seen everything that there's to see played everything that there's to play.

We need more in duel than new maps... New varity. Or at least balance tweaks.

Some players have left long time ago, Code Killer for example... And Phantasma has been forever yelling that duel is awefully thin..

Come on devs, we're hungry for something new in duel. Feed us... :wink:

Your work on your weapon modifications are great and really creative, but they can't really match some of the total conversions out there...

You're best part is duel, just IMHO. Please, work on duel...
CCTF and DOC is the future! We have stuff that will be coming to CCTF that (at least RFlagg and I) you will love! DOC is coming and I think it will be cool.

Shadow, I fully agree. LAN is so much better! But because you can't have LANs 24/7. So next is playing with your buddies on a internet server. Like it is always really fun to play Chaos w/ the BT team and all. Hands down, it is always more fun to play with people you know then joining a random game out there.
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Post by Rythmix »

halprin wrote:
General_Sun wrote:Definitly. A lot of us are moving away from the mod because we've seen everything that there's to see played everything that there's to play.

We need more in duel than new maps... New varity. Or at least balance tweaks.

Some players have left long time ago, Code Killer for example... And Phantasma has been forever yelling that duel is awefully thin..

Come on devs, we're hungry for something new in duel. Feed us... :wink:

Your work on your weapon modifications are great and really creative, but they can't really match some of the total conversions out there...

You're best part is duel, just IMHO. Please, work on duel...
CCTF and DOC is the future! We have stuff that will be coming to CCTF that (at least RFlagg and I) you will love! DOC is coming and I think it will be cool.

Shadow, I fully agree. LAN is so much better! But because you can't have LANs 24/7. So next is playing with your buddies on a internet server. Like it is always really fun to play Chaos w/ the BT team and all. Hands down, it is always more fun to play with people you know then joining a random game out there.
I dont think anyone is arguing that fact that lan games are more fun, sure they are, no latency, people you know, good times... but thats true for any and all online games. Thats really not the focus here, unless the Chaos Devs can honestly say that they developed this mod only for the beta testing lan parties. I dont know so much about DoC and another CTF variation is (IMHO) going to go the same route as the other mutators and minor gametype mods. Its still more like a mutator, sure there are chaos weaps and the flags do different cool things, but 2 weeks later its just CTF.
I hope DoC is well on its way, before CCTF as that too would be another original type of game play.
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Post by halprin »

Rythmix wrote:unless the Chaos Devs can honestly say that they developed this mod only for the beta testing lan parties.
Oh, I hope you didn't take it like that. Sorry, didn't mean it like that but that would be a cool idea! ;p
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Post by Shadowstar »

LAN isn't just for LAN parties. Gaming centers also run chaos, and they are pretty much open during business hours, so if you look around you might find one. I know of several in my area. But of course, internet games are going to get played more just because its easier. The problem is, servers only appear if people are willing to run them. The fact is, UT2k4 is already getting old, and people are moving on to newer games. There isn't alot we can do to just magically make more servers appear. It's something the fans have to do themselves. If you believe Chaos is worth it and fun enough, then run a server, or at least join one, even if nobody else is on. Play against bots for a few minutes. People will be more likely to join a server someone is already on rather than one that nobody is on. And I think there are enough Chaos fans out there that it shouldn't be too hard to get a multiplayer game going as long as someone is willing to step up and be the first on a server.
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Post by Rythmix »

Well take these ideas for the current melee system and any future UT2006 releases that you might covert chaos to, this mod could be so much more with the strong melee system you guys have if put into more a developing gametype. And not to compare chaos to thievery, but because of the storyline that the ThieveryUT mod follows, its still has a rock solid community playing everyday, and thats for UT99. I'm not saying to use that storyline, but just to think about building on gametypes rather than just mutators would stretch the life of the mod and keep a solid fan base.
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Post by Deathstorm »

Look, if you want a story, play a RPG or read a book. All I want to do when I play UT2K4 is kill other players. As the sang goes "if you build it they will come", well when I check the chaos, or chaos weapons filter they don't come. Why is this? I don't know, I love chaos it is a great mod. I have a text file with a list of them about 7 I think, but I don't think typing each one in is something I should have to do. I have 2 on my fav. list, but they both have maps I don't have, ya great lets dowload these big maps on my 56k. One is a stupid ONS map, I hate that game type. So please donate a server to the chaos fund. No dumb dual servers, I want guns.
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Post by The_0men »

Hey! dont tell them not to do stuff with melee or not to take up our ideas! I aint putting my foot in ur posts. You are entitled to ur opinions but dont knock ours just cos it aint ur cup of tea :)
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Deathstorm wrote:Look, if you want a story, play a RPG or read a book. All I want to do when I play UT2K4 is kill other players. As the sang goes "if you build it they will come", well when I check the chaos, or chaos weapons filter they don't come. Why is this? I don't know, I love chaos it is a great mod. I have a text file with a list of them about 7 I think, but I don't think typing each one in is something I should have to do. I have 2 on my fav. list, but they both have maps I don't have, ya great lets dowload these big maps on my 56k. One is a stupid ONS map, I hate that game type. So please donate a server to the chaos fund. No dumb dual servers, I want guns.
well RPG sucks.. i want balanced team play. not one guy with super damage power and wont die after hit by 3 deemers. And all you want to do in UT2k4 is kill players, then good.. thats what its there for. But then you just want the chaos weapon packs, and mutators. You won't get a crowd for that, nor multiple crowded servers for it. Just like you dont have long lasting crowds for any of the weapon packs. Monkey Matrix mutator is very cool, but no one hosts a server with it, as the route goes with most mutators, they lose their appeal or there is something else out there. My point is that chaos is being released as a mod, but the only thing that is really modded to be different is the Duel/melee stuff. The rest can all be done with weapon packs and mutators offered seperately. I'm not saying they should drop all their Chaos related stuff, just also add a team based, plot/goal oriented gametype that develops the melee side of things more, that is the only thing that will keep a strong fan base. Or like Omen said, have some sort of Assault type game for the gun weapons, and some other plot oriented gametype for melee weapons. But whenever you allow ut2k4 weaps to work in your mod or along with your mod, it just becomes an alternative weapon pack.

Thats why we push or Duel so much, thats the only thing that stand out from the normal shoot'em up weapons and (IMO) puts chaos on the map as a mod, rather than a weapon pack.

Mutators and Weapons die fast, and chaos is just a huge pack of small things:

Grapple - Mutator
Kick - Mutator
Relics - Mutator
Chaos Weapons - WeaponPack
Hoverboard - Vehicle Pack
Duel - Mod (potential to be Total Conversion)

So the Duel mod is really what many of us call the "CHAOS MOD". The rest I just call UT2004 with the kick mutator, or Onslaught with the Hoverboard vehicle pack. Thats why so often you will see us say "Chaos needs work, the axe is broken" meaning "Duel needs work..." We just dont think of any of the other stuff as the Chaos mod, just chaos released side mutators for ut2004. And with mine being the only server I see with people on it (hence the point of this post), its clear to at least some of us that we aren't the only ones that feel this way: Melee is where its at.
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Post by Shadowstar »

That's more or less what DOC was designed to do. But it won't happen overnight.

And, you pretty much just proved exactly why we aren't focusing on developing Duel much right now. We've already put so much effort into it, that we've neglected the other parts of the mod and now everyone thinks Chaos is a melee mod.

Well, it's not.
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Yes, the days one game dominating the online play are long since over. Back in the Q2 days there were about 3 online games, hence those games had all of the players. Nowadays, there is a new game every month that appeals to atleast a small crowd of people. This is a big contributing factor to the lack of online players. Shadow is right. If you want to play online find a server. sit on it for a little while and see if people show up to play. nine times out of ten they will. I know that when im looking to take a break and play some i look for a server that has people on it. If there isnt one then i log on to one that is empty and hang out there for a few. Usualy someone joins, and before long more and more join.

Duel is no longer the only melee game type. In the current version a server admin can set up a DM game that is melee only and also a KOTH game that is melee only. We are currently working on 2 more melee game types. Head hunters is alot like DM the diffrence is that you will have monsters in the mix with the players. You will be able to kill them all. We will just make more ;) DOC will be a mixture of assault and Invasion with all of the players on one team working to protect an objective from the hordes of monsters attempting to take the prize.

As for the development, we are working on many things. From gametypes to Vehicles and guns, and Yes, there are more melee weapons in the works as of now. One of the things that we are attempting to do is find a good way to fuse all of the parts of Chaos together. CCTF will be one of those ways. CCTF will have Melee weapons, Guns, and Vehicles. Ofcourse the way things are now the guns are much more powerful then the Melee weapons. Hence they are pretty neer useless in the game type. So, presonaly i have a few ideas that may even up the odds a bit. There is still alot comming.

When you have been doing this as long as we have you begin to see a pattern. As a release draws neer the excitememt will build and there will be a flurry of activity. Once that release passes the activity will slowly decline as people get new games and find other games that interest them. The activity will build again, Fear not. If you are willing to stay for the long haul, you will not be dissapointed.
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Post by Rythmix »

Well said :) And good to hear about DoC (when's that coming out btw?).What are the feelings on sharing your melee system with others who wish to mod more down that road? keeping credit to the chaos team of course. Or officially hiring more coders/modders to split up the work, one half go down the melee road and one half go down the DoC, CCTF road. Because while I agree that there is more than Melee, Melee holds a larger market than one might think, mostly because its so scarce.

I am going to try a KOTH duel game tho, thats probably a nice change of events than the normal duel.

Thanks for the feedback, but keep the ideas above in mind if you are looking for a fresh gametype. :)
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Post by halprin »

Rythmix wrote:Well said :) And good to hear about DoC (when's that coming out btw?).
We are not sure yet. The first step is Hoard Hunters which is perty much strictly DM w/ Monsters. DOC will eventually replace (I think) HH but HH is certainly leading up to DOC though.

And I don't know if anyone thinks this or not but I am going to address this anyways: After the MSUC we will still most certainly keep on developing! Chaos will get even better because we are not under a lot of stress of the MSUC! So if anyone out there is thinking that Chaos is going to fall apart because the MSUC is done, never fear!
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Deathstorm,

see if you can hook up with this guy (genman1) as I know he loved to play Chaos:

http://forums.chaoticdreams.org/profile ... file&u=397

I am sure he would like to join you for a game (however gaurd that ERDW with your life as genman1 does go for it a bit....hehehe)



Guys,

there were some great points brought up that I wanted to address...just ran out of time...
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Post by The_0men »

Well, listening to what ur saying i dont think its all a suprise anymore and im excited! :D lol.

I have ideas for evening up melee and guns 4 sure and it goes to metal gear solid....ill give u a clue: ninja!
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Post by genman »

(however gaurd that ERDW with your life as genman1 does go for it a bit....hehehe)

LOL, You mean Chaos has more weapons.

As far as playing, a few of us play on Faceplants server everynight (Thanks Face) IP:209.176.193.13:7778 usually after 9pm EST. If you interested in playing stop on by we don't mind being target practice

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