Hoverboards!

Zachariah · Post by **Zachariah** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:59 am

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article ... 151471.jpg

but they aint ours :S

jb · Post by jb » Tue May 09, 2006 1:18 am

Kaboodles · Post by **Kaboodles** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:47 am

LoQtUS · Post by **LoQtUS** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:29 am

WOW I wonder where they got that idea.

halprin · Post by **halprin** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:20 am

I saw that too. I might slowly but surely believe that RFlagg is right when he says that Epic likes to rip stuff from us possibly.

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:12 pm

What the heck...

How could they take it... It is so chaotic...

BTW: Technically speaking, Epic (unfortunately) can rip stuff from any of their mods. Look at what Valve did with the Half Life mod, CS...

Just let's hope that Epic doesn't get a Steam equivalent for UT...

Post by **R.Flagg** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:17 pm

lord_kungai wrote:BTW: Technically speaking, Epic (unfortunately) can rip stuff from any of their mods.

Actually, no. Epic themselves say that's not true. That's the lip-service given anyway.

Look at what Valve did with the Half Life mod, CS...

Yes. Good example. Because I'm pretty sure they bought it. Gotta respect that (not that we have anything that compares to the popularity of CS, I've never implied that... it's the same principle though.. if such things matter in your life... ie: "doing the right thing").

jeditobe1 · Post by **jeditobe1** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:13 pm

I beleive they can take code and resources from the mods. Which makes sense in some ways, considering those resources are created using their software as a base.

They however, cannot take intellectual property of the mod teams, to my knowledge.

Post by **R.Flagg** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:25 pm

They say they can't, but they can, and they do. So be it.

And btw - and this is not in response to anyone in particular now, in this thread.. but just throwing it out there....I have never meant to say or imply that we have ever had anything major, groundbreaking, game-making, CS-like... or anything at all like that in question here. Epic sure as heck didn't need Chaos for the UT series to be a hit. Please don't misunderstand me, they are still the creators of my favorite game.

But I am convinced that Epic has been inspired by some Chaos work over the years, and has incorporated a few of those into their games. Again, nothing major. Some spawn-protect stuff here, some proxy-like-goo there, some flag-finder here, some hoverboard-with-grapple there.... whatever.

But my point is that if this is true, then how about at least a mention about this fact, or a nod and wink, or a pat on the back and a hearty "atta boy". Maybe just once if one of them said "ya know..., we have taken some inspiration from a few of their ideas, improved upon them, made them more professional, and went with it".. that'd probably have been enough for me.

And if they thought the idea was worthy, maybe even tossing a carrot our way. Ya know, like 4 coupons, to be split up by the team, for 1/2 off a Denny's breakfast, at any location in the greater Milwaukee area, Mon thru Fri only, no weekends or holidays, expires 5/31/06.

Squeaky · Post by **Squeaky** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:29 am

Hey idiots chaos wasnt the first Hoverboard thing ever you know!
Chaos did not invent the hoverboard! Ive seen heaps of hoverboards b4 chaos made it! (Motorbikes has been done 2!)

Alsoi have a hunch chaos got the idea of motorbikes from Monarchs Battlebikes...... Its eerily simaler to the FragEdSpecial......

lord_kungai · Post by **lord_kungai** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:36 am

@Squeaky

Hey, what the heck? You just come onto the forums and call everyone idiots? The hoverboard idea IS NOT original. AFAIK it dated back to the time of Isaac Asimov.

However, the CUT implementation of the hoverboard IS original. Just as the goliath tank is more or less unique to UT (Even though tanks are NOT original) the CUT Hoverboard is unique to CUT.

Unreality · Post by **Unreality** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:09 am

you gotta admit in chaos you can grapple onto vechile's while on a hoverboard gues what you can do the same in UT2007 i guess its the trade for using there game to mod

Zachariah · Post by **Zachariah** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:48 pm

Its no secret that epic draws heavily in UT , fun trick , watch Alien, then play some UT and look around. recognize anything as far as the architecture goes?

LoQtUS · Post by **LoQtUS** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:38 pm

Squeaky wrote:Hey idiots chaos wasnt the first Hoverboard thing ever you know!
Chaos did not invent the hoverboard! Ive seen heaps of hoverboards b4 chaos made it! (Motorbikes has been done 2!)

Alsoi have a hunch chaos got the idea of motorbikes from Monarchs Battlebikes...... Its eerily simaler to the FragEdSpecial......

Its because of statements like this that i will not be working on any content for UT07. I will not be returning to the Chaos team for the next installment. I just do not feel like i have the temperment to handel children who think that they know everything any more. I believe that this team has gotten burned very badly by the people that we have been helping sell their product for so many years.

Just to set the record strait. The only thing that i have seen that comes close to our hoverboard that was in a fps game when we started work was from Quake 3 arena. They had a playermodel that rode a hoverboard. Not exactly the same. Well....Not even close. Did the Chaos team invent a hover board? No Of course they didn't. Were they the first to put one in a game that could be ridden? To my knowledge Yes. Is the design of epics Hoverboards to close to ours to be a coincidence? Yes i believe it is. It is ignorance to say otherwise. Squeaky, I challenge you to back up your statements. You say you have seen heaps of hoverboards before ours. Prove it. Show me one that was rideable in a game before ours and i will issue you a public apology on the Atari forums that explains the situation and detail what an idiot i am in a place where all of your freinds can see how cool you are. Sound like a deal? Until you can provide me with details and a screen shot of one you should be quiet as you are only showing your ignorance on the issue. There are other things in UT07 that are suspect also, but for now we are talking about the Hoverboard. I do realize that people sometimes have ideas at the same time, but i find it very hard to believe that they designed UT07 before working on UT04. That would not make sence.

As for the bikes, to say that Chaos invented a motorcycle is stupidity. The mustator that you are taling about Battle bikes was concieved and designed long after the design of our bike. I would check the news archives on Beyond unreal and Planet Unreal if i were questioning this. I ask you not to take my word for it but do the research yourself. It will make you look a little smarter then you look now. Now you just look like someone who wants to start an argument.

Does Epic make the very best game engine out there? Yes they do. Their engine is amazing and powerful while being easy for a content developer to work with. Do they produce origional content? In my openion the answer is no. Epic is a bit notorious for "borrowing" Ideas from others. The UT04 vehicles origionaly looked so much like the Halo vehicles that Epic had to change them. Did i make that up? Again, Do research. Find out for yourself.

They say imitation is the highest form of flattery but i cant help but feel a bit slighted after the years of helping sell their products. This is not the reason that i will no be returning though. The reason is that on top of that I do not feel like writing post after post like this defending my position from ignorant children that can not be reached anyway. After looking at what has happened i do not feel that i have the temperment to continue without disgracing the Chaos Team. Please keep in mind as reading this that these openions are my own and may or may not be shared by the rest of the Chaos team. I do not speak for the team on this but for myself. The good thing about this whole thing is that the Unreal Community as a whole wins and gets good game content created at a profesional level.

Romulus777 · Post by **Romulus777** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:13 pm

BURNED! ouch!

on a side note. It's too bad you won't be here for CUT3. you'll still be a team member in my book though.

Chaotic Dreams

Hoverboards!

Hoverboards!

Its been done